bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 >not getting your news exclusively from a few shadowbanned schizos on X with Greek statue avatars could not be me but you do you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 15 hours ago, Slugworth said: Depending on what you're referring to in that post..a variety of places. Military sites that track things like carrier movements/troop deployments, combat footage posted on YouTube, Twitter, or Reddit, and news in general from Reuters/AP with a sprinkling of Sky/Fox, BBC, or MSN. Which of those do you think has been the most accurate about the war in Ukraine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Anyone not seeing the Russian millatery is a paper tiger is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 7 hours ago, Facekicker said: Which of those do you think has been the most accurate about the war in Ukraine? Depends on what you're looking for. If just headlines or war news in general, the Reuters/AP wires. They lack the baggage of opinions mixed with news like you see on Sky/Fox, BBC, MSN, or CNN. If looking for war footage to see what's happening on the ground (or air) you can't beat YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, and I assume the other social media platforms I don't use. When it comes to things like casualties, that gets a bit more dicey. Ukraine has a tendency to inflate the count for obvious reasons and Russia has a tendency to lower the count for obvious reasons. This is where you should believe the Pentagon's numbers...they're almost in the middle between the two extremes. Any time Ukraine mentions some crazy kill count, knocking out a jet, or a ship/sub, I have to actually see it to believe it. Same with Russia. Don't tell me, show me. 5 hours ago, Bill Brasky said: Anyone not seeing the Russian millatery is a paper tiger is laughable. Yeah the mask is off now. Instead of pretending to have this super advanced military, what Russia and its supporters should be doing is talking about a Reagan style build up of its military in the coming decade after this conflict wraps up. Look at the US military from the tail end of the Vietnam war to Desert Storm. The problem they would have with this strategy is would instantly highlight the fact all the previous huffing and puffing was bullshit. They should still do it... probably will in a post-Putin world. They're reduced to buying third rate artillery from NK and dollar store drones from Iran. They can do some damage with those weapons obviously...but one of the supposed best militaries in the world should not be desperate enough for such help. The US, China, Japan, SK, and a few NATO allies are leaving them in the dust. The US is already working on sixth generation fighters while Russia mainly has prototypes of its fifth generation fighters. The time for modernization is now...and this time don't siphon the money for mansions and yachts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 9 minutes ago, Slugworth said: Depends on what you're looking for. If just headlines or war news in general, the Reuters/AP wires. They lack the baggage of opinions mixed with news like you see on Sky/Fox, BBC, MSN, or CNN. If looking for war footage to see what's happening on the ground (or air) you can't beat YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, and I assume the other social media platforms I don't use. When it comes to things like casualties, that gets a bit more dicey. Ukraine has a tendency to inflate the count for obvious reasons and Russia has a tendency to lower the count for obvious reasons. This is where you should believe the Pentagon's numbers...they're almost in the middle between the two extremes. Any time Ukraine mentions some crazy kill count, knocking out a jet, or a ship/sub, I have to actually see it to believe it. Same with Russia. Don't tell me, show me. Yeah the mask is off now. Instead of pretending to have this super advanced military, what Russia and its supporters should be doing is talking about a Reagan style build up of its military in the coming decade after this conflict wraps up. Look at the US military from the tail end of the Vietnam war to Desert Storm. The problem they would have with this strategy is would instantly highlight the fact all the previous huffing and puffing was bullshit. They should still do it... probably will in a post-Putin world. They're reduced to buying third rate artillery from NK and dollar store drones from Iran. They can do some damage with those weapons obviously...but one of the supposed best militaries in the world should not be desperate enough for such help. The US, China, Japan, SK, and a few NATO allies are leaving them in the dust. The US is already working on sixth generation fighters while Russia mainly has prototypes of its fifth generation fighters. The time for modernization is now...and this time don't siphon the money for mansions and yachts. Pedarashkian (Russian army, if it can be called "army" has always been a fucking joke riddled with rampant corruption and incompetence)... The only reason they seemed and looked oh, fucking powerful was a sheer size of cannon fodder Ruskis can herd to the slaughter and throw at their adversaries and a small size of neighbouring countries' armed forces... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, Ragnar said: Pedarashkian (Russian army, if it can be called "army" has always been a fucking joke riddled with rampant corruption and incompetence)... The only reason they seemed and looked oh, fucking powerful was a sheer size of cannon fodder Ruskis can herd to the slaughter and throw at their adversaries and a small size of neighbouring countries' armed forces... They're only capable of meat grinding wars of attrition with a handful of missile strikes, an air force literally incapable of an air war, a navy incapable of dominating its own backyard, and sitting on thousands of nukes. In other words...19th century warfare combined with the atomic age. What makes that even worse than it sounds is the fact they're only capable of doing that to inferior countries on their borders(Ukraine, Georgia, etc.)...and they even fuck that up immediately by caravans running out of gas 60 miles from their borders, planes loaded with their best paratroopers crashing in the opening hours of the conflict, having to loot Ukrainian liquor stores for food/drinks, Molotov grannies making mincemeat out of special ops, etc. Warfare on that level is simply not feasible up against the US 21st century military. They don't have the equipment or capable of the logistics to go up against the US. A US-Russia showdown in Poland or the Baltics would be Desert Storm on steroids. By the time the air war was over, the 1 or 2 divisions waiting for their turn would be pissed at how little resistance is left. All dressed up with nowhere to go. The whole thing is insanity. NATO was verging on irrelevancy. Had Putin played his cards right, the whole thing probably implodes by 2030. Now its stronger than ever...and more countries in Russia's sphere of influence (all the Icouldgiveafuckistans) will likely want to join in the coming decade. Not just because of Ukraine...but because Russia just proved with Armenia they don't take their own alliances (CSTO) seriously. The head of a snake can't be a paper tiger in the event of a crisis. Remember how in the post Cold War era NATO started to absorb Warsaw Pact nations? It'll start happening in the coming decades with CSTO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 US just used an AC-130 on Iranian backed militias in Iraq. US declassifies Intel regarding Wagner offering air defense (SA-22) to Hezbollah and Iran. Israel and Hamas finalizing deal on a hostages/prisoner exchange. Edit It's official. They'll release 50 hostages and there will be a 4 day truce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 hours ago, Slugworth said: What makes that even worse than it sounds is the fact they're only capable of doing that to inferior countries on their borders(Ukraine, Georgia, etc.). Inferior in terms of man power. Still, Ukraine turned out to be a tough bite to chew... The biggest mistake Ukraine ever made was giving up its nuclear arsenal. The third largest at the time. 1 800 nuclear warheads... Ukraine shall win but this war will be prolonged. Not because they don't know how to fight, they do, but because "The West" doesn't give them amount of weapons necessay to whip the pigs, just enough to hang in there... Biden for all his talk is spineless which he calls cautiousness. He should be in hospice not in the White House... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 You can't defeat Russia, you can force them out of Ukraine or do some kind of deal. Funny how Germany are taking Gazan refugees. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Been reading some of the thread from the beginning. I should've joined when this war started. There's probably some crazy footage posted in here. On 2/25/2022 at 4:01 AM, Luis said: The super duper scary Chechens. Bragged on TikTok how they were headed into Ukraine to kill Zelensky. Within hours of bragging, their bodies were found mutilated on the side of the road. This might not be the same group of Chechens mentioned in your Twitter link. Not sure. It's all a blur at this point. On 2/25/2022 at 5:15 AM, Guest BB. said: But these same Russians have working hypersonic weapons lmfao These so called "invincible" missiles (Putin's description) work at hitting empty barns and getting intercepted by Patriots. They stopped launching them at the Patriot when they got the message. The Russians know exactly where both Patriot systems are deployed yet still can't take em out. Russia promised they would be destroyed if we sent them. In their defense, that's a hard promise to keep. I triple dog dare them to send in that super duper uber advanced stealthiest stealth fighter in the history of stealth to take em out. The funny thing about it is there would be zero repercussions for doing it. No Americans would get killed obviously...it's not an escalation. It's just taking out 1-2 systems handed to Ukraine on a silver platter. Still can't do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Pacific shift: US to build a ‘missile wall’ against China US general confirms provocative plan to deploy long- and intermediate-range missiles to the Pacific in 2024 The US is closer to deploying long-range land-based missiles to deter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan, a provocative move that could spark a destabilizing conventional missile arms race in the Pacific. General Charles Flynn, Commander of US Army Forces Pacific, stated at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia, that the US will deploy new intermediate-range missiles including Tomahawks and SM-6s to the Pacific region in 2024, The deployment was made possible by the US’s withdrawal from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 2019 due to Russia’s alleged non-compliance. The Defense One report says the US Army’s Precision Strike Missile (PrSM), which can hit targets over 500 kilometers away, may also be deployed to the region. Rest of the article: https://asiatimes.com/2023/11/pacific-shift-us-to-build-a-missile-wall-against-china/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpy Bear Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 https://abcnews.go.com/US/rainbow-bridge-us-canada-closed-explosion-sources/story?id=105102476 How could this possibly happen? Open borders perhaps??? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 28 minutes ago, Trumpy Bear said: https://abcnews.go.com/US/rainbow-bridge-us-canada-closed-explosion-sources/story?id=105102476 How could this possibly happen? Open borders perhaps??? Wow. Crazy shit. I had a feeling this country would have a major terrorist attack during the holidays. They may have to bring back this from the war on terror... We'd be at yellow currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Trumpy Bear said: https://abcnews.go.com/US/rainbow-bridge-us-canada-closed-explosion-sources/story?id=105102476 How could this possibly happen? Open borders perhaps??? It was either a Tesla or Bentley that blew up Elon can't do anything right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 You can see the car go airborne in the background of this video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 17 hours ago, Slugworth said: These so called "invincible" missiles (Putin's description) work at hitting empty barns and getting intercepted by Patriots. They stopped launching them at the Patriot when they got the message. The Russians know exactly where both Patriot systems are deployed yet still can't take em out. Russia promised they would be destroyed if we sent them. Was there ever any video or photographic evidence they were intercepted? Would have expected them to parade out the kinzhal remnants as that would have been a big win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I'm in the nuke zone but this Christmas I rather be surrounded by warships than be at Christmas market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpy Bear Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, Slugworth said: Wow. Crazy shit. I had a feeling this country would have a major terrorist attack during the holidays. They may have to bring back this from the war on terror... We'd be at yellow currently. New York has been put on high alert all week. The Governor referred to a high amount of online activity encouraging uncoordinated terror attacks. So be on the lookout for lone wolf attacks like driving into crowds. And it's because of white supremacy. Ok I made the last part up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 2 hours ago, Facekicker said: Was there ever any video or photographic evidence they were intercepted? Would have expected them to parade out the kinzhal remnants as that would have been a big win. I'm surprised they weren't dancing around with missile fragments too. Maybe they sent them to the US like other various weapons in Ukraine. In this example, we can bypass Ukraine and go straight to the US and Russian reaction to the incident for proof it happened. The Pentagon confirmed the strike. All these systems are monitored regardless of where they are stationed or who is operating it. Ukraine claimed they shot down six. Since the Pentagon won't go into specific details, Ukraine was probably exaggerating the amount. Days after the incident, Russia arrested a few of their scientists working on the missile for treason. Yes other reasons for the arrests I'm sure but the timing of that is not a coincidence. Russia also admitted targeting it with the missile but lied about destroying the Patriot. We know it's a lie because it never stopped working.... The Russian Defense Ministry said one of its Kinzhal missiles “struck and completely destroyed” a U.S.-built Patriot surface-to-air missile defense system in Kyiv on Tuesday, citing what it called “reliable data.” But two U.S. officials confirmed that the Patriot battery had incurred some damage but was still operational. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-hypersonic-missile-scientists-arrested-treason-patriots-ukraine-rcna84857 If that's not suitable, Reuters and Al Jazeera have similar articles. Since the Russian Defense Ministry commented, I assume Pravda also has one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 The fact the Russians send captured Ukrainian soldiers back to fight for Russia confirms they don't have an all powerful army. But they don't need one. They have nukes. The whole narrative of them invading Poland was bogus from the get go. Now they are flooding the internet with Zelensky is a crazy cokehead rumors, high on his ego and Sean Penn's new movie ideas. You can't run on this war in 2024. Biden economics is a losing strategy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 6 hours ago, Slugworth said: I'm surprised they weren't dancing around with missile fragments too. Maybe they sent them to the US like other various weapons in Ukraine. In this example, we can bypass Ukraine and go straight to the US and Russian reaction to the incident for proof it happened. The Pentagon confirmed the strike. All these systems are monitored regardless of where they are stationed or who is operating it. Ukraine claimed they shot down six. Since the Pentagon won't go into specific details, Ukraine was probably exaggerating the amount. Days after the incident, Russia arrested a few of their scientists working on the missile for treason. Yes other reasons for the arrests I'm sure but the timing of that is not a coincidence. Russia also admitted targeting it with the missile but lied about destroying the Patriot. We know it's a lie because it never stopped working.... The Russian Defense Ministry said one of its Kinzhal missiles “struck and completely destroyed” a U.S.-built Patriot surface-to-air missile defense system in Kyiv on Tuesday, citing what it called “reliable data.” But two U.S. officials confirmed that the Patriot battery had incurred some damage but was still operational. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-hypersonic-missile-scientists-arrested-treason-patriots-ukraine-rcna84857 If that's not suitable, Reuters and Al Jazeera have similar articles. Since the Russian Defense Ministry commented, I assume Pravda also has one. Was there any video footage in the aftermath? No photographic evidence of the downed Kinzhals? That's strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 6 hours ago, Facekicker said: Was there any video footage in the aftermath? No photographic evidence of the downed Kinzhals? That's strange. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-do-we-know-about-kinzhal-russias-hypersonic-missile-2023-05-16/ There ya go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 17 hours ago, Slugworth said: Wow. Crazy shit. I had a feeling this country would have a major terrorist attack during the holidays. They may have to bring back this from the war on terror... We'd be at yellow currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 17 hours ago, wasted said: they don't have an all powerful army. But they don't need one. They have nukes. If their desire is to be a giant North Korea with a gas station, that's true. I don't think that was Russia's vision for their role on the world stage. They like to imagine themselves as the #2. Unfortunately for them, that slot requires more than just sitting on thousands of nukes while threatening others with those nukes. China understands this....and that's one of the reasons they are now in the #2 position. 11 hours ago, Facekicker said: Was there any video footage in the aftermath? No photographic evidence of the downed Kinzhals? That's strange. Yeah this is strange. While reading the first 10-12 pages of this thread yesterday discussing the opening phase of the conflict, I noticed you swallowing whole hog Russian (dis) information regarding bold claims such as wiping out the entire Ukrainian navy AND air force, taking strategic airports, and knocking out all their anti air systems without needing or asking for even a miniscule shred of proof to back up the claims. Now at this late stage of the conflict, you need proof that Russia used hypersonic missiles for an attack on the Patriot system even though Russia issued a press release admitting it. That's progress! While the fog of war and disinformation in the social media age definitely creates a massive shit storm to wade through, it's amazing that anyone could believe some of that even on a surface level. Russia wiping out both the air force and all their anti air systems?!? Do you know what eliminating all that instantly causes in a conflict? Not just air superiority....air supremacy! Obviously...this still hasn't been achieved by either side in the conflict. What little air power Ukraine had definitely took a blow... while the majority of Russian air strikes now have to take place over Russian soil and then immediately fly back to base. As far as naval engagements go, not much to brag about on the Russian side. Yeah Russia took out a handful of Ukrainian ships in their own backyard where they should technically (on paper) be unstoppable. The whole point of the Black Sea fleet is supremacy of the Black Sea in the event of a major conflict/crisis...yet they've lost the mother ship of the fleet, a new missile cruiser that hadn't even got to pop its cherry yet, a submarine, a few s-400 systems deployed to protect the fleet, the HQ of the fleet, and a random assortment of other assets (too lazy to look em up now). All this damage up against a country whose Navy was almost non-existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 6 hours ago, Slugworth said: If their desire is to be a giant North Korea with a gas station, that's true. I don't think that was Russia's vision for their role on the world stage. They like to imagine themselves as the #2. Unfortunately for them, that slot requires more than just sitting on thousands of nukes while threatening others with those nukes. China understands this....and that's one of the reasons they are now in the #2 position. Yeah this is strange. While reading the first 10-12 pages of this thread yesterday discussing the opening phase of the conflict, I noticed you swallowing whole hog Russian (dis) information regarding bold claims such as wiping out the entire Ukrainian navy AND air force, taking strategic airports, and knocking out all their anti air systems without needing or asking for even a miniscule shred of proof to back up the claims. Now at this late stage of the conflict, you need proof that Russia used hypersonic missiles for an attack on the Patriot system even though Russia issued a press release admitting it. That's progress! While the fog of war and disinformation in the social media age definitely creates a massive shit storm to wade through, it's amazing that anyone could believe some of that even on a surface level. Russia wiping out both the air force and all their anti air systems?!? Do you know what eliminating all that instantly causes in a conflict? Not just air superiority....air supremacy! Obviously...this still hasn't been achieved by either side in the conflict. What little air power Ukraine had definitely took a blow... while the majority of Russian air strikes now have to take place over Russian soil and then immediately fly back to base. As far as naval engagements go, not much to brag about on the Russian side. Yeah Russia took out a handful of Ukrainian ships in their own backyard where they should technically (on paper) be unstoppable. The whole point of the Black Sea fleet is supremacy of the Black Sea in the event of a major conflict/crisis...yet they've lost the mother ship of the fleet, a new missile cruiser that hadn't even got to pop its cherry yet, a submarine, a few s-400 systems deployed to protect the fleet, the HQ of the fleet, and a random assortment of other assets (too lazy to look em up now). All this damage up against a country whose Navy was almost non-existent. It's very hard to destroy Russia. They are hard to invade or hit with missiles in a devastating way. And they have nukes. So they can mess around on their borders and posture on the world stage. But they have an economy the size of New York, they don't make much and standard of living there is poor. But some of the Russian people say they just want to be safe. As long as they have food and vodka they can be tough and Russian. No mogul hordes will be attacking them. The other thing is I've seen people say Russia's ambitions are misrepresented by international community. This whole idea they want to reform Soviet Union or dream of a Russian Empire is overblown to support western interests. They are interested in those regions but not as a huge sovereignty issue. Kissinger said Russia is the only country surrounded on all sides by enemies. So some of it is security, some resources but the Soviet Union isn't as big as I thought it was. It has more of a nationalist agenda now. I just think NATO/US pushed their luck to the point where Russia had to do something. Neit means neit and all that. Blinken can magic up wars out of thin air. Nylund is has also been a liability for decades now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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