bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 https://assets.law360news.com/1765000/1765929/https-ecf-cacd-uscourts-gov-doc1-031141212137.pdf Excerpt 1: "Lebeis, Podcast with Fans, The War Room at min. 61.30 to min. 63, min. 81.55. (May 7, 2020) (Lebeis: “You made that? We love that. My bad I didn’t give you credit…I am so sorry. Somebody posted something and the guys were laughing….Don’t lie to me. That’s my job. I am just giving you content. I am just giving you fucking ammunition. You can use it against me. I am your biggest fan. By the way we love that photo. You made it for the guys…..Every decision I make is the going to be the decision you(Axl Rose) tell me.”)" Excerpt 2: "Evidence of such behavior has been documented by a public data base named, Lumen, where in 2016 Rose/Team Brazil hired a third party to try and take down photos of himself where he appeared overweight. " It's over for Team Brazil. The fat photo will be the downfall of the entire GNR empire. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 14 Author Share Posted November 14 "Such knowledge is buttressed by the fact that Lebeis’s principal Axl Rose has a pattern of behavior whereby he falsely claims ownership of photographs of himself in order an attempt to have absolute control over how he is perceived in the media." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Rd Beast Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Oh mah fuckin lord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 14 Author Share Posted November 14 Full text of paywalled article: Quote Guns N' Roses have been hit with a lawsuit by its former touring photographer, who says she hasn't been paid for some of her photos the band uses to promote its ongoing tours and additionally accuses one of its newer managers of cutting her fees as part of a practice of "pervasive sexual harassment." "Both at times under contract and while not under contract defendants arrogantly disobeyed Benzova's rights and intents, flouted copyright law, perpetrated fraud, and slandered ... her works, thereby systematically and egregiously infringing upon, at least, 145 of Benzova's photographs in the last year alone," reads a more-than-200-page lawsuit filed Saturday in California federal court by Katarina Benzova against the still-touring classic rock band. An erstwhile Slovakian model, according to her website, Benzova says she moved into concert photography in 2010 when she started working with the band "on and off as an independent contractor until 2022," per the suit. Repeatedly, her lawsuit insisted, Benzova was paid for this work as a freelancer, despite her longtime association with the latest incarnation of the band. She pointed to documents the band's management signed, such as her O-1 visa paperwork. By the time her relationship with management deteriorated in 2022, Benzova claims to have taken "over 250,000 photographs" of it, covering "a total of 364 shows." Benzova has especially harsh words for Fernando Lebeis, whom the lawsuit also named as a defendant. Part of a family of Brazilians who have been involved in managing the L.A. rock band for the past decade, Lebeis is the son of Beta Lebeis, described in the complaint as frontman Axl Rose's personal manager. According to a Los Angeles Times profile of Rose, Beta Lebeis was "a Brazilian woman Rose met when she was his ex-girlfriend Stephanie Seymour's assistant" and whose work for the singer dates to 1993, around the time Rose's relationship with Seymour had ended, itself later the subject of dueling lawsuits. Since 2016, Lebeis' son has been the official handler of the band, which consists of Rose, guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagan. In his role managing the band, Fernando Lebeis had been adverse toward crediting Benzova for the photos that she said she took of the band, according to the lawsuit, which claims that, in 2018, she broached "the topic of ownership and credit and Lebeis state[d] 'I don't want to hear it, it bums me out.'" Benzova's lawsuit in particular targets his use of her photographs to populate a website his team manages called "Nighttrain," which "has generated at least 4.13 million dollars" selling what she calls "the GNR exclusive subscription service." But an aversion to crediting or later paying for Benzova's freelance work wasn't the only allegation she lobbed against the band's manager. "Since 2016, after Benzova escaped numerous unwelcome sexual advances from Fernando Lebeis, she endured consistent pervasive sexual harassment by Lebeis — all within in a workplace environment that was completely devoid of any sexual harassment policy, sexual harassment handbook, sexual harassment training, and human resource department," the lawsuit reads, which attempts to hook him to violations of California's Fair Employment and Housing Act protections against sexual harassment. At one point, the lawsuit noted that Benzova's work with the band involved her being "one of the only females of a crew that consisted of about 150 people." "At times, such hostility and aggression was subtle or implied; and, at others [sic] times, it was overt and gross," reads the complaint, which pointed to ways Lebeis allegedly punished her for rejecting his sexual advances. Last year, for instance, "Lebeis forced Ms. Benzova to move to [a] cheaper hotel while he was fully aware and knowledgeable that she had COVID-19." At other times, conflicts between the two appeared intertwined with Benzova's issues with getting paid for the photographs she took. "During a dispute about Benzova's fee and photo credit, Benzova insisted on utilizing written contracts, to which Lebeis ignored and instead responded only with a heart, telling Benzova he loved her," read her complaint at one point. tl;dr: Fernando is an inexperienced incompetent sex pest of a manager and harassed Kat multiple times, punished her when she rejected his advances and refused to credit her for her work. Fernando's use of @FATAD's Appetite for Vaccination idea for a t-shirt (mentioned in a Discord call) and the fat photo debacle are cited as other examples of Fernando's flouting of copyright laws and Axl's overreach in regards to photos of him, respectively. Fat photos and a shitposting chat room are literally going to bring down the Team Brazil empire. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 14 Author Share Posted November 14 Exhibit A, your honor 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Fernando being an alleged sex pest deviant is going to provide YEARS of quality trolling. This is the best GNR related early Christmas present ever! 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNando Fernxotic Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Is your wife TOO HOT for you Fernando? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 He even has that seedy sex pest moustache look Maybe we can get Ragnar to teach him how to be more successful? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Rd Beast Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 FERNANDO /// MISER OH MY FUKIN LORD FERNANDO IS A DIRTY SEX PEST CREEP 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 "Fernando don't I swear I won't I'll be good from now on And I'm awful, sorry" 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobytrap Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 is it too late to add nando to the 2023 rapist list? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 19 minutes ago, boobytrap said: is it too late to add nando to the 2023 rapist list? Nope. Ragnar has some serious competition now boys! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobytrap Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 fernandildo leipist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 This is better than the new songs. Apologies for stating the obvious. Fernando and the Lebeis family are utter shit. Scum. I'd take a family of gypsies managing my band over them. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 @FATAD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 2 hours ago, Facekicker said: He even has that seedy sex pest moustache look Maybe we can get Ragnar to teach him how to be more successful? Fuck off you moron and stop mentioning me all the time you unfunny leprechaun... 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobytrap Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, Facekicker said: Nope. Ragnar has some serious competition now boys! In brazil, they fuck lama not goats. but I'm sure, the two can find a mutual agreement, exchanging their local livestock with one another I'm not sure Ragnar will be pleased getting spit in the face by a lama however (lamas are known for spitting when they're displeased by something). nando leipist will need to keep ragnar's rage in check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 14 minutes ago, boobytrap said: In brazil, they fuck lama not goats. but I'm sure, the two can find a mutual agreement, exchanging their local livestock with one another I'm not sure Ragnar will be pleased getting spit in the face by a lama however (lamas are known for spitting when they're displeased by something). nando leipist will need to keep ragnar's rage in check You fuck lamas too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 This is the best day as a GNR "fan" in decades. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsntortillas Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 What is the background of Fernando? Did he go to law school? Does he have an MBA? Was he involved in the industry prior to managing GNR? I know we joke about the band because posting on a GNR forum in 2023 is Absu(backwards r)d, but I always assumed that in spite of the possible nepotism, he must have gained some level of expertise that would enable him to be trusted in his role. I understand Axl valuing having people he trusts around him, but for better or worse this isn't a punk band staying in squats and playing out of vans. Even for the sake of liability, he should have professional serious people involved in his corporation to handle the more standardized aspects of running a large scale business. Whether he desires to have an organizational structure where Fernando is at the top of it, but there are managers for the aspects he is deficient in that he can lean on, or just to hire actual professionals, I don't know what the proper setup would be, but the current one they have might not be sufficient if the allegations in this lawsuit prove to be true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsntortillas Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 It would be hilarious if Axl spent all these years as teflon and completely immune to cancel culture, and it's his former-housekeeper/rumoured-wife/mother-figure's kid who gets him cancelled. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiarzisDead Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 This is amazing Finally some quality material from the GnR camp 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Dexter Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 I hope the fat man sees Fernando for who he truly might be, if this shit is true. Even gay ass Reddit is now against Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 6 minutes ago, General Fattington said: I hope the fat man sees Fernando for who he truly might be, if this shit is true. Even gay ass Reddit is now against Fernando Sure, Axl must be very angry at Fernando for harassing women. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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