Bad Apple Movie Theead

[DieselDaisy]

10 minutes ago, wasted said:

I think it covered the material well, even the simple difference between fusion and fission. Even nuke physicists do Marbles in a jar plutonium counts.
 

Teller getting in there with Fermi getting in there is enough depth. 
 

The whole Strauss conspiracy McCarthy era stuff is pure JFK. I love Los Alamos western stuff. Nuke cowboys.
 

Unlike Napoleon, JFK and Oppenheimer you are very close to the truth.  

 

The history is fairly good. Some over emphasis and construction here and there but largely bona fide,

 

https://www.vulture.com/2023/07/oppenheimer-historical-accuracy-what-really-happened.html

 

Ridley Scott note well.

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19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

The history is fairly good. Some over emphasis and construction here and there but largely bona fide,

 

https://www.vulture.com/2023/07/oppenheimer-historical-accuracy-what-really-happened.html

 

Ridley Scott note well.

Ridley is 85 and just wants to bum hos. That's the message of Napoleon. I don't give a fuck, this is my Napoleon.
Oppenheimer is Nolan's Gladiator.

In 10 years Nolan will be bumming hos in black holes too. 

[DieselDaisy]

4 hours ago, wasted said:

Ridley is 85 and just wants to bum hos. That's the message of Napoleon. I don't give a fuck, this is my Napoleon.
Oppenheimer is Nolan's Gladiator.

In 10 years Nolan will be bumming hos in black holes too. 

 

Ridley's career is a strange one for me. His first three films are high quality: Blade Runner is in my top ten films of all time, and I love Alien and an underrated film, his debut, The Duelists. Then everything else is shit. Willow, GI Jane, etc. - all complete bollocks.

 

Scorsese still puts out high quality films.

 

Steve? Steve can put the odd decent one out like Bridge of Spies and Lincoln.

 

[MAGATRON]

Spielberg is doing a Napoleon miniseries for hbo based on the Kubrick screenplay. 

[Guest The Monkey]

18 minutes ago, MAGATRON said:

Spielberg is doing a Napoleon miniseries for hbo based on the Kubrick screenplay. 

Wrong kid died

[MAGATRON]

Watched May December on Netflix. Didn’t really know what it was about going in. Makes you feel icky. Good for what it was. 

[Slugworth]

The Star Chamber

 

 

There's a killer story begging to be told here. They fuck it up...and the ending sucks.

 

This needs a remake.

 

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12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

Ridley's career is a strange one for me. His first three films are high quality: Blade Runner is in my top ten films of all time, and I love Alien and an underrated film, his debut, The Duelists. Then everything else is shit. Willow, GI Jane, etc. - all complete bollocks.

 

Scorsese still puts out high quality films.

 

Steve? Steve can put the odd decent one out like Bridge of Spies and Lincoln.

 

Spielberg is old Hollywood movie maker.  Kind of a story teller. It's all in his name. 
 

He's done so much it's hard to comprehend. I've watched movies and not known it was him.
 

Munich was good. Catch Me if you Can, I think he did The Terminal with Hanks. 
 

But he also did those Philip K Dick movies, Minority Report and A.I.

 

I think Tony Scott is a better director than Ridley Scott. Ridley is more about big concepts. His movies are big concepts and look like commercials, but Tony had all the proper camera work. Like Unstoppable is a very hard movie to direct. 

[MAGATRON]

Tony Scott made consistently kick ass action movies. Ridley made Blade Runner and Alien which are two of the all time classics. 

[DieselDaisy]

6 hours ago, wasted said:

Spielberg is old Hollywood movie maker.  Kind of a story teller. It's all in his name. 
 

He's done so much it's hard to comprehend. I've watched movies and not known it was him.
 

Munich was good. Catch Me if you Can, I think he did The Terminal with Hanks. 
 

But he also did those Philip K Dick movies, Minority Report and A.I.

 

I think Tony Scott is a better director than Ridley Scott. Ridley is more about big concepts. His movies are big concepts and look like commercials, but Tony had all the proper camera work. Like Unstoppable is a very hard movie to direct. 

 

He schmaltzes up every good film he makes. Bridge of Spies is a borderline masterpiece but then he sticks some apple pie white picket fenced saccharine at end. Minority Report has a deus ex machina 'happy/resolved' ending when the film should've ended in ambivalence. War Horse was Spielberg bringing his schmaltz to twee merry yer olde England. 

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51 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

He schmaltzes up every good film he makes. Bridge of Spies is a borderline masterpiece but then he sticks some apple pie white picket fenced saccharine at end. Minority Report has a deus ex machina 'happy/resolved' ending when the film should've ended in ambivalence. War Horse was Spielberg bringing his schmaltz to twee merry yer olde England. 

That's old Hollywood, he listens to the money. He is the industry in that way. Lucas, Coppola and Spielberg all went to film school together, they all had a similar start.
 

Lucas started out with that Star Wars demo pretty radical, Coppola has always been living the dream, Spielberg always had his eye on the prize. 

 

Lucas kind of changed the industry with his Toyetic CGI blockbuster shit. Spielberg is just all business Hollywood shill but actually great director of movies. Coppola is more in the boat with Dennis Hopper. He's indulgent and all about the art and wanted Easy Rider to be the new norm. But as Fonda said We blew it.
 

Coppola went bankrupt doing his hippy commune Zoetrobe salon studios and Lucas sold his CGI tech to Hollywood and ruined movies. Spielberg is just the status quo, but he makes watchable movies for everyone. 

[Guest Ragnar The Rape Enthusiast]

1. Gladiator

2. Black Hawk Down

3. The Duellists

4. Alien

5. Blade Runner.

 

All Ridley Scott you need...

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15 minutes ago, Ragnar said:

1. Gladiator

2. Black Hawk Down

3. The Duellists

4. Alien

5. Blade Runner.

 

All Ridley Scott you need...

Black Rain and American Gangster yo. 

[DieselDaisy]

 

 

The Spy Who Came in from the Cold

Classic cold war thriller.

 

I'm finishing off the Carpenter filmography with the weaker later films.

 

Village of the Dammed

Solid mid-tier Carpenter. Reeve's last role before his accident. Luke Skywalker turns up as a priest.

 

In the Mouth of Madness

A mess but it does have some great creature FX.

 

The Ward

Carpenter's last. Stars Amber Heard who is probably more terrifying in real life than the horrors in this film. Solid, rather Cuckoo's Nest spliced with the horror genre, although he clearly didn't know how to end the thing.

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Where Eagles Dare (1968)

[EstrangedTWAT]

 

[DieselDaisy]

Nearly every Carpenter film was a box office bomb except for Halloween, The Fog, Escape from NY (which all follow each other) and Christine - those were all smash hits. They Live did alright also for its modest budget. By my reckoning the guy released 12 (from 18) films which were failures at the box office. Even The Thing just broke even and many regard that as his masterwork. 

 

Scorsese's career is a bit like that also. Raging Bull - considered by many to be his greatest - just about broke even. King of Comedy was a box office disaster as was Age of Innocence, Kundun, Bringing out the Dead and Irishman. Hugo, on an admittedly vast budget, just broke even. Killers not performing that well. Spielberg has had some disasters also, especially recently, although I doubt anyone would consider them his finest films: West Side Story and BFG both colossal bombs. Fabelmans not doing well.

 

The reason studios greenlight a Scorsese: prestige. Netflix and Apple lose money, but they gain a sort of prestige from having produced a serious Scorsese film. 

[Guest arnold layne]

4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Nearly every Carpenter film was a box office bomb except for Halloween, The Fog, Escape from NY (which all follow each other) and Christine - those were all smash hits. They Live did alright also for its modest budget. By my reckoning the guy released 12 (from 18) films which were failures at the box office. Even The Thing just broke even and many regard that as his masterwork. 

 

Scorsese's career is a bit like that also. Raging Bull - considered by many to be his greatest - just about broke even. King of Comedy was a box office disaster as was Age of Innocence, Kundun, Bringing out the Dead and Irishman. Hugo, on an admittedly vast budget, just broke even. Killers not performing that well. Spielberg has had some disasters also, especially recently, although I doubt anyone would consider them his finest films: West Side Story and BFG both colossal bombs. Fabelmans not doing well.

 

The reason studios greenlight a Scorsese: prestige. Netflix and Apple lose money, but they gain a sort of prestige from having produced a serious Scorsese film. 

 

Scorsese has the last integrity left in film making. 

 

I bet capeshit movies make more money, but deep down the directors know they are unoriginal losers, and that hurts pride I bet. 

 

Nobody will remember who directed Captain Marvel 53, everyone will know Scorsese. 

[AxlisOld]

3 minutes ago, arnold layne said:

 

Scorsese has the last integrity left in film making. 

 

I bet capeshit movies make more money, but deep down the directors know they are unoriginal losers, and that hurts pride I bet. 

 

Nobody will remember who directed Captain Marvel 53, everyone will know Scorsese. 

I'm betting Deadpool 3 comes out and the comic movies fizzle. The Marvels completely tanking has gotta signal that people are fatigued.

[Guest arnold layne]

4 minutes ago, AxlisOld said:

I'm betting Deadpool 3 comes out and the comic movies fizzle. The Marvels completely tanking has gotta signal that people are fatigued.

 

They will still make them. Even a bad Marvel movie makes a profit and they make a lot of money off of merchandise. Kids will always like Marvel characters. 

 

They took the McDonald's and tobacco plan and made it for films. Get the kids addicted young and make them a consumer for life. 

 

Deep down I hope you are right. 

 

At least there are some original film makers left. It sort of helps DiCaprio is invested with Scorsese. It is good to see some actors invest their time with directors with original material. I am sure there are more, but I don't watch many films nowadays. 

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13 hours ago, EstrangedTWAT said:

 

Obey Fiend Club is the only cool merch by a band. 

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I'm sure at the multiplex I walked past a sign for Marvels. It looked like a Best of compilation movie. End of the line.

 

But what's mext Youtubers and Tik Tok or videogame movies? 
 

Videogame movies. Call of Duty the movie. GTA the movie. 
 

 

[EstrangedTWAT]

We could be on the verge of seeing a renaissance in American cinema like the late 70s.

 

If the Hollywood system is finally collapsed and people are tired enough of these vapid brain-dead "blockbusters" then it's time for a new generation of filmmakers to make compelling independent movies again.

 

You can shoot an entire movie on a phone now.  The technology is there.  The problem is coming up with new and creative ideas.

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35 minutes ago, EstrangedTWAT said:

We could be on the verge of seeing a renaissance in American cinema like the late 70s.

 

If the Hollywood system is finally collapsed and people are tired enough of these vapid brain-dead "blockbusters" then it's time for a new generation of filmmakers to make compelling independent movies again.

 

You can shoot an entire movie on a phone now.  The technology is there.  The problem is coming up with new and creative ideas.

It could be going back to American

Independent film like that wave in 90s , Cassevettes, Ferrera, Van Sant, Sodetberg, Tarantino, Smith - it kind of mirrored the 60s Easy Rider to Star Wars path. My Own Private Idaho to Iron Man 2. 
 

But I'm not seeing new directors. Netflix is full of foreign movies. 

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On 12/3/2023 at 12:45 PM, MAGATRON said:

Tony Scott made consistently kick ass action movies. Ridley made Blade Runner and Alien which are two of the all time classics. 

Top Gun and True Romance could be classed as classics. 
 

Unstoppable, Last Boy Scout and Man on Fire are awesome. 
 

I think Scott is very skilled director but Ridley is more high concept.
 

Kimd of like Coppola and Spielberg. Coppola and Ridley do epic sets, Tony Scott and Spoelberg do a lot slick filmmaking camera work but less interesting themes.