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14 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

It is simply unsustainable. Even the biggest company will crack under those sorts of losses. They put out an animated film called Strange World last year (no, me neither) which lost the company $197 million!! Indiana Jones/Dial of Destiny lost circa 100 million. Disney is so pathetic they actually produced a Star Wars flop: Solo probably lost about 80mil. How is it even conceivably to produce a ''SW box office bomb'' - the prequels dross all did well. Star Wars is a franchise that was Teflon. Well...Disney managed it.

 

These four films in 2023 alone lost for the company one billion!!

 

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I cannot believe they are not bankrupt yet! Surely there will be a breaking point?

Another thing is the numbers. 100s of millions is nothing to a Billionaire.
 

If the have or worth 50 Billion dollars they can borrow a Billion to throw at a movie for their crazy political motives or as David Mamet said Hollywood pussy. 
 

A billion is when you get to 999 million and need a new meaurement word? 
 

900 mil is loads. These executive producer fucks have 20 billion dollars. 
 

A movie is 50-100 mil? 
 

They spend 35 mil on marketing and 15 on the pre production. 
 

CGI is cheaper than Jack Nicholson.

 

Scientology money is behind all Tom Cruise movies for example. That means they can make these loses.
 

Disney is Freemason money. They are all peddling their ideologies through these movies so they think 100-200 mil loss is worth it.  

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Now that a high def copy is "free" to all, I finally sat down and watched Killers of the Flower Moon.

 

I had no idea that

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Leo was playing a bad guy in this one.  I avoided trailers and reviews and shit so I would be surprised.  I didn't even realize he was the bad guy til about an hour in.  I'm dumb sometimes.

 

It's better than The Irishman.   DeNiro is good.  Scumbag character...reminds me of the warden from Shawshank.

 

My favorite shot in the movie was the creepy Masonic ritual room.  That's tiiiight.  Look like Twin Peaks or Eyes Wide Shot.

 

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I was surprised that "Landry" doesn't even show up until the 2 hour mark.  I like seeing him in stuff.  It's good to see ugly guys make it in the world.  He's not as good an actor as Phiip Seymour Hoffman (but who is?) but he does carry on that tradition of portraying the schlubby everyman.  Dude is 35, famous, rich, married to a movie star, and he still has the worst skin.  Respect.

 

Movie really reminded me of Boardwalk Empire, but I thought that's just cause of the same time period.  Then I remembered:  Scorsese directed the pilot episode!  Has all the same trademark sudden violence and fatal headshots, etc.

 

I was actually kind of moved when Scorsese appeared in person to deliver the final lines, almost like he was putting the final period on his own career, in case this turns out to be his last film.

 

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15 hours ago, wasted said:

From what I read they wrote the script more like the book, but then realized it was all about the male characters. They re-wrote it to be about the indians and women. Was the book as woke as the movie felt. I thought the movie was not obnoxiously woke. I didn't like Scorsese crying at the end. That last scene should have been cut. 

The book was more of a whodunnit told from the FBI perspective. Jesse Plemons character was the main man in the book. They could have made the movie both exciting and informative. DiCaprio decided he wanted to play the husband instead of the fbi agent so they rewrote the script which was a huge mistake. DeNiro was way too old for his role too. The real Hale was much younger. 

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Carpenter's filmography ranked,

 

1. The Thing

2. They Live

3. Escape from NY

4. Halloween

5. Vampires (this is my wild take)

6. Assault on Precinct 13

7. Christine

8. Starman 

9. The Fog

10. Someone's Watching Me

11. Prince of Darkness

12. Village of the Dammed

13. In the Mouth of Madness

14. The Ward

15. Big Trouble in Little China (sorry - I know everyone loves it)

16. Ghosts of Mars

17. Escape from LA (haven't seen it in years though).

 

I haven't seen Body Bags and it has been years since I have seen the Invisible Man and Elvis the Movie - so long that I can barely remember them so I have left them out.

 

If I was being objective more, Halloween and Star Man would both move up and They Live and Vampires drop down. 

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2 hours ago, TheJeanGenie said:

I think that Bill The Butcher is one of the best written characters portrayed by one of the best actors in a mediocre movie. Id really like to see a directors cut of Gangs of New York.

It's a very insular movie, Scorseses main implication that America is ruled by gangs and it's religious war still hasn't ended to today. But I somewhat agree, it's not very emotionally satisfying and yet Bill The Butcher is phenomenal.

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Ghosts of Mars

 

Not much to say really. A terrible film but does have a charm of being late '90s-early 00s schlock. Her out of Species stars. Early Jason Statham role. Pam Grier has a brief role. Ice Cube turns up who is terrible. Nugnr (Buckethead and Finck) did something on the soundtrack.

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Watched Leave the World Behind. Creeps me out to think that the Obama’s produced this one. Solid end of America conspiracy theory movie from the creator of Mr. Robot starring Julia Roberts, Ethan Hawke, and Mahershal Ali. The special effects are tv show level quality but the acting performances are really good.

 

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13 hours ago, MAGATRON said:

Watched Leave the World Behind. Creeps me out to think that the Obama’s produced this one. Solid end of America conspiracy theory movie from the creator of Mr. Robot starring Julia Roberts, Ethan Hawke, and Mahershal Ali. The special effects are tv show level quality but the acting performances are really good.

 

Why does it creep you out? They produced it, all that means is they threw some money at it in hopes of getting back more money.

 

On 12/7/2023 at 10:03 AM, TheJeanGenie said:

I think that Bill The Butcher is one of the best written characters portrayed by one of the best actors in a mediocre movie. Id really like to see a directors cut of Gangs of New York.

You want that movie to be even longer? I love the movie, and I agree about Bill, but no more please.

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13 hours ago, MAGATRON said:

Watched Leave the World Behind. Creeps me out to think that the Obama’s produced this one. Solid end of America conspiracy theory movie from the creator of Mr. Robot starring Julia Roberts, Ethan Hawke, and Mahershal Ali. The special effects are tv show level quality but the acting performances are really good.

 

I watched it last night. It’s a straight up uncredited remake of one of the best twilight zone episodes, but I won’t spoil the film by telling you which one 

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3 hours ago, AxlisOld said:

Why does it creep you out? They produced it, all that means is they threw some money at it in hopes of getting back more money.

 

You want that movie to be even longer? I love the movie, and I agree about Bill, but no more please.

I read that Scorsese wasnt happy with it and that the studio took influence. So I am curious what it would be like. It does not necessarily have to be longer. 

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On 12/5/2023 at 4:43 AM, DieselDaisy said:

 

It is simply unsustainable. Even the biggest company will crack under those sorts of losses. They put out an animated film called Strange World last year (no, me neither) which lost the company $197 million!! Indiana Jones/Dial of Destiny lost circa 100 million. Disney is so pathetic they actually produced a Star Wars flop: Solo probably lost about 80mil. How is it even conceivably to produce a ''SW box office bomb'' - the prequels dross all did well. Star Wars is a franchise that was Teflon. Well...Disney managed it.

 

These four films in 2023 alone lost for the company one billion!!

 

image.png.dcd140aaf2c0cf0975ffc0a7f6ae1ad5.png

 

I cannot believe they are not bankrupt yet! Surely there will be a breaking point?

 

Time has just passed Disney by. 

 

Even bringing back the old CEO cannot save them.

 

I think part of the problem is that other companies do what Disney do for less of the cost. The competition of capitalism. Here are a few examples. 

 

1. The theme parks. Disneyworld is probably the most expensive theme park in the US. While it's upkeep and sheer size cannot be matched, I think a lot of consumers are willing to go to Cedar, Six Flags or Universal where the rides are better for 2/3rds of the cost. 

 

2. ESPN. ESPN is very costly, but watching sports and sports commentary doesn't have to be. Why would you spend $20/month for ESPN when you can watch CBS and FOX NFL games for free on Sunday? ESPN MNF is super easy to pirate and so is every other NBA, NFL, MLB, CFB game. No reason to pay for it. And sports talk shows are free everywhere. DraftKings Network and Stadium are free on Pluto TV. They have the the same buffoons talking at the camera about sports. The exact same show under a different brand. At no cost. 

 

3. Disney content. Marvel is the most popular superhero franchise but it's on the downturn. There are still those types of people who prefer DC over Marvel. Besides Marvel, Disney has lost complete original creativity. Remaking the classics is lazy and everyone knows it. Remaking old shows isn't working for them either. 

 

4. Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse may have been popular with your Grandma, but there was about thirty years where they didn't even bother making Mickey Mouse cartoons. A whole three generations don't get the Mickey Mouse nostalgia. Their face of the franchise is lost to millions of young adults and children because they never grew up with him. They started making new Mickey Mouse shorts. They are amusing, but it's just another cartoon with so many shows now. Maybe in the 1930's cartoons were revolutionary. Today, there are hundreds. 

 

Competiton has caught up to Disney. 

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Disney is huge globally, across Asia, all the movies and merchandizing, but also Disney English. There's a Disney World in China. 

4 hours ago, arnold layne said:

 

Time has just passed Disney by. 

 

Even bringing back the old CEO cannot save them.

 

I think part of the problem is that other companies do what Disney do for less of the cost. The competition of capitalism. Here are a few examples. 

 

1. The theme parks. Disneyworld is probably the most expensive theme park in the US. While it's upkeep and sheer size cannot be matched, I think a lot of consumers are willing to go to Cedar, Six Flags or Universal where the rides are better for 2/3rds of the cost. 

 

2. ESPN. ESPN is very costly, but watching sports and sports commentary doesn't have to be. Why would you spend $20/month for ESPN when you can watch CBS and FOX NFL games for free on Sunday? ESPN MNF is super easy to pirate and so is every other NBA, NFL, MLB, CFB game. No reason to pay for it. And sports talk shows are free everywhere. DraftKings Network and Stadium are free on Pluto TV. They have the the same buffoons talking at the camera about sports. The exact same show under a different brand. At no cost. 

 

3. Disney content. Marvel is the most popular superhero franchise but it's on the downturn. There are still those types of people who prefer DC over Marvel. Besides Marvel, Disney has lost complete original creativity. Remaking the classics is lazy and everyone knows it. Remaking old shows isn't working for them either. 

 

4. Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse may have been popular with your Grandma, but there was about thirty years where they didn't even bother making Mickey Mouse cartoons. A whole three generations don't get the Mickey Mouse nostalgia. Their face of the franchise is lost to millions of young adults and children because they never grew up with him. They started making new Mickey Mouse shorts. They are amusing, but it's just another cartoon with so many shows now. Maybe in the 1930's cartoons were revolutionary. Today, there are hundreds. 

 

Competiton has caught up to Disney. 

What is crazy is Disney runs Marvel Studios which has made Marvel movies since Iron Man to The Marvels in 2023. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Studios

 

If you look at all the stuff they run it's kind of everything else:

The company is known for its film studio division Walt Disney Studios, which includes Walt Disney Pictures, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, 20th Century Studios, 20th Century Animation, and Searchlight Pictures. Disney's other main business units include divisions in television, broadcasting, streaming media, theme park resorts, consumer products, publishing, and international operations. Through these divisions, Disney owns and operates the ABC broadcast network; cable television networks such as Disney Channel, ESPN, Freeform, FX, and National Geographic; publishing, merchandising, music, and theater divisions; direct-to-consumer streaming services such as Disney+, Star+, ESPN+, Hulu, and Hotstar; and Disney Experiences, which includes several theme parks, resort hotels, and cruise lines around the world.

 

But there is a point if you isolate Disney themed stuff as not being as lucrative but they buy up their completion. Marvel movies are Disney. Lucasfilm /Star Wars is Disney. Weinstein Miramax is Disney. 
 

But I think Facebook, Twitter, Google social media maybe are taking profits

But I bet Disney buys Youtube or something. 


Apple may buy Disney in the end. 
 

 

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