Bad Apple Movie Theead

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, wasted said:

It's well known now marketing dept is storyboarding movies closely with screenwriter. Even in budget details you see 35 mil average on Marketing promo etc. 15 mil on the movie. 
 

There's no Jack Nicholson getting 50 mil to do Batman. There was Downey Jr. on Iron Man but on these cheap remakes, they aren't paying for creatives. 
 

I'm not Star Wars guy. I think once Disney got them they are done. But that's just Lucas he only cares about moviemaking techniques. I'm pretty sure he sold the industry his CGI tech so he could make better effects stuff. In the book his wife leaves him because she "couldn't take the darkness anymore". 
 

I saw one where Luke dies. He's living on an island. Then there's a huge fight at the end. One had a chick hero and a black storm trooper. Basically it was woke woke woke then Harrison Ford came back. It's obvious they are just hitting demographics. And they get every time. 
 

I saw the new Point Break. It was ok, but it had nothing to do with Point Break. 
 

That's why I only go to theatre for the real stuff. Proven directors I know. Not remake franchise, Disney, superhero bullshit. I can play Avengers LEGO my phone. You can watch Fast n Furious Tokyo Drift on Netflix. 

 

I gave up on Star Wars years ago. The Disney trilogy is a complete mess. Three of the most atrocious films I have ever seen. They should be erased from history.

 

I usually see Scorsese's latest. He is the one director I always make an effort. Used to be a bit like that with Quentin but gave up on him years ago. This year I have seen KOTFM, Godzilla and Napoleon at the cinema so it has been unusually active period. Also took my nephew to some Pixar bollocks so that makes it four films in 2023.

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4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

Well his brother, Claudio Argento, is Dario's producer but he has never directed and tends to just produce Dario's films (with one exception). 

 

Dario Nicolodi, ex-wife of Dario and mother of Asia, acted in most of the Argento masterpieces, Tenebrae, Profondo Rosso, etc. She also did some writing. 

 

Nepotism, ehh?

It's a family business.

 

I wonder if mossad hung Anthony Bourdain because he told Asia to go after Harvey? 
 

Nicholas Cage is Coppola's nephew. 
Sophia Coppola

I wonder where the Spielsters kids are at. 
The Baldwins. 

I think Josh Harnett is Harrison's son. 

The Smiths - Jayden is probably doing trans yoga on tik tok now. 
Duncan Jones is Bowie's son, he did that Moon. 
Angela Jolie is Jon Voights daughter. 

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14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

I gave up on Star Wars years ago. The Disney trilogy is a complete mess. Three of the most atrocious films I have ever seen. They should be erased from history.

 

I usually see Scorsese's latest. He is the one director I always make an effort. Used to be a bit like that with Quentin but gave up on him years ago. This year I have seen KOTFM, Godzilla and Napoleon at the cinema so it has been unusually active period. Also took my nephew to some Pixar bollocks so that makes it four films in 2023.

Scorsese, Tarantino (don't always like them at first but they grow on me), Fincher, I go see films by Mann, DePalma, Stone, Spike Lee, Clint, R Scott, Spielberg, Woody Allen, Nolan even M. Night, Soderberg, Abel Ferrera if he's still alive. 
 

I'm not going to Return to Wakamda: Green Planet Jerk Off or the new Color Purple Remake or Star Wars versus Barbie. Although I almost went to Barbie. 
 

Oppenheimer, Flower Moon, Napoleon is all I managed. 2023 was good year for movies. 
 

The Killer I would've but it wasn't on here. 

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8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

I gave up on Star Wars years ago. The Disney trilogy is a complete mess. Three of the most atrocious films I have ever seen. They should be erased from history.

 

I usually see Scorsese's latest. He is the one director I always make an effort. Used to be a bit like that with Quentin but gave up on him years ago. This year I have seen KOTFM, Godzilla and Napoleon at the cinema so it has been unusually active period. Also took my nephew to some Pixar bollocks so that makes it four films in 2023.

Which one ruined Quentin for you? He's been on a hell of a run since Inglourious imo.

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, bacdi the ape enthusiast said:

Which one ruined Quentin for you? He's been on a hell of a run since Inglourious imo.

 

The Hollywood one bored me senseless: I think it took three separate occasions to finish the thing. Two westerns were garbage. Car one was rubbish. 

[Guest]

I will not tolerate Hateful Eight slander around here

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, bacdi the ape enthusiast said:

I will not tolerate Hateful Eight slander around here

 

He just does exploitation satire/rips these days. Kill Bill 1 is just Lady Snowblood. 

[Guest The Monkey]

Hateful Eight is like a child drawing in crayon and thinking it’s fine art

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7 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

He just does exploitation satire/rips these days. Kill Bill 1 is just Lady Snowblood. 

Even Res Dog and Pulp are remixes? 
Maybe Jackie Brown is only normal movie

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8 hours ago, bacdi the ape enthusiast said:

I will not tolerate Hateful Eight slander around here

It was hard to follow the first time. But as I rewatched it the meticulous planning reveals itself. It's basically a remake of Res Dogs. There's so much detail in the characters and dialogue to find on rewatch. Even when you know what happens. It's kind of like Flower Moon in that way. 

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11 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

The Hollywood one bored me senseless: I think it took three separate occasions to finish the thing. Two westerns were garbage. Car one was rubbish. 

There's so much to Hollywood though. The Polanski stuff, the Manson stuff and all the old Hollywood b movie and Bruce Lee scene. It's also a buddy cop type moview with Leo and Brad. And just Margot Robbie Sharon Tate scene is worth it. Brad driving through 70s hollywood picking up a Manson girl. 
 

It all comes down to if you can stand Tarantino's contrivances. Sometimes it's like watching Tarantino make a movie. So you never get taken along or forget it's a movie for long. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, The Monkey said:

Hateful Eight is like a child drawing in crayon and thinking it’s fine art

 

[Guest The Monkey]

44 minutes ago, bacdi the ape enthusiast said:

 

The first half is legit good and Tarantino at his best but the 2nd half is rancid shit and Tatum being the brother makes it transparent JJLs part was written for Jennifer Lawrence. But the flaw is the movie is not very smart or interesting and like all low IQ wannabe black guys with suspect connections to Israel, it’s pure propaganda 

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40 minutes ago, The Monkey said:

The first half is legit good and Tarantino at his best but the 2nd half is rancid shit and Tatum being the brother makes it transparent JJLs part was written for Jennifer Lawrence. But the flaw is the movie is not very smart or interesting and like all low IQ wannabe black guys with suspect connections to Israel, it’s pure propaganda 

I definitely think Tarantino was compromised by Harvey, I see it in the take on Manson in Hollywood. 
 

In Hateful I got that basically it's just SLJ cucking white men. But then he gets shot in the balls. And him a the White supremacy guy team up. They don't turn on each other and lynch the female gang member. On first watch it was just a ultra violent mess of comedy shooting. But it all kind of works out quite neatly. It's pretty high up on the list. Pulp, Hollywood, Hateful, Death Proof, Jackie are all rewatchable. 
 

I haven't got round to coming to terms with Django. I'm not sure there's more to it than a revenge movie. It's similar to Flower Moon. 

[DieselDaisy]

6 hours ago, wasted said:

There's so much to Hollywood though. The Polanski stuff, the Manson stuff and all the old Hollywood b movie and Bruce Lee scene. It's also a buddy cop type moview with Leo and Brad. And just Margot Robbie Sharon Tate scene is worth it. Brad driving through 70s hollywood picking up a Manson girl. 
 

It all comes down to if you can stand Tarantino's contrivances. Sometimes it's like watching Tarantino make a movie. So you never get taken along or forget it's a movie for long. 

 

It is all well and good provided you are awake during all this!

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23 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

It is all well and good provided you are awake during all this!

What about it bores you compared to Scorsese? 
 

Tarantino to me is trashy movie making, but boring he isn't. There's way more boring directors that I watch. 
 

Just the subject matter, Margot Robbie and soundtrack keep me visibly erect the whole of Hollywood. 
 

But is it an action movie, no. But I kind of pass out  in action scenes. Then Vin talks about chicken with Paul Walker and I read too much into it. Michelle Rodriguez. Ugh pass the kleenex. 

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51 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

It is all well and good provided you are awake during all this!

Seeing as you were asleep
 

 

 

[DieselDaisy]

54 minutes ago, wasted said:

What about it bores you compared to Scorsese? 
 

Tarantino to me is trashy movie making, but boring he isn't. There's way more boring directors that I watch. 
 

Just the subject matter, Margot Robbie and soundtrack keep me visibly erect the whole of Hollywood. 
 

But is it an action movie, no. But I kind of pass out  in action scenes. Then Vin talks about chicken with Paul Walker and I read too much into it. Michelle Rodriguez. Ugh pass the kleenex. 

 

I fell asleep. From memory loads of waffle.

[Guest]

Hollywood is fantastic. Idk how you could consider it "boring" if you know the Manson story. My only issue with it is some of the casting, particularly of the cultists.

 

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[DieselDaisy]

 

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14 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

I fell asleep. From memory loads of waffle.

Yes a lot of talking. That's the thing I don't like. Although it worked early on. Because more stuff was happening. 
 

Sometimes it seems like characters are just Tarantino talking. Especially Kill Bill. The Bride is just talking like Tarantino. 
 

Hateful 8 is all dialogue, but it's funny so that saves. The brutality is funny.
 

Bride is just talking like a bad ass about bloody revenge. It's so nerdy. But then Madsen is in part 2. And its more like a crime movie. 
 

Django just seems long and nasty. It's not much fun. It's like Flower Moon without any nuance. 

[AxlisOld]

22 hours ago, wasted said:

It was hard to follow the first time. But as I rewatched it the meticulous planning reveals itself. It's basically a remake of Res Dogs. There's so much detail in the characters and dialogue to find on rewatch. Even when you know what happens. It's kind of like Flower Moon in that way. 

It was inspired by The Thing. Hence Kurt Russell.

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15 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

It is all well and good provided you are awake during all this!

That is what Tarantino is about, all the parts between the action, what dumb gangsters talk about at the food court. It's not the classical Hollywood narrative, basically the European art narrative filled with Hollywood b movie characters or cool parts from forgotten movies. He might like Die Hard but he just takes Bruce's character and uses it in his Godard style art movie. None of his movies have any narrative drive. But there is a story that works in there. I never once understood one of his movies on first watch. But on rewatch you start to put it together. Maybe you give him the benefit of the doubt because of the funny stuff or characters. A Tarantino scene doesn't need the movie. It's like a collection of cool scenes that somehow holds together. 

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50 minutes ago, AxlisOld said:

It was inspired by The Thing. Hence Kurt Russell.

I can see that. It's a similar set up to Res Dogs. Everyone in one room, who donnit? Nobody trusting anyone and something gory happens. The environment of the cabin is very detailed. 

 

I haven't seen The Thing for a while. But it's a similar remote outpost. It's just these characters and some one is the bad guy or got the alien in them. 

[Guest The Monkey]

Hollywood is a nice fantasy and entertaining movie but one that conveniently wipes decades of corruption, drug smuggling, and human trafficking under the table.

 

I think Kill Bill Vol 1 and Inglorious Basterds are his best movies by far.