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The Eternal General - 04/24 - Unpinned but alive; Atlas/Monsters nowhere in sight; Slash 'Orgy of the Damned' next month


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21 minutes ago, gunsntortillas said:

 

Subject To Change is such a lame name for a song. 

It seems more like an MO. 
 

Just because a few songs from Village came out doesn't mean they all will. Monsters seems to have been through a lot. 
 

Berlin brings up Hitler, Oklahoma city bombings is Timothy LaVeigh? Another two dictators. 

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5 minutes ago, DaddyDont said:

If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from?

 

If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point

Because Riad was behind Erin bringing a case against Axl, that crosses wires as well. Riad sounds like Axl in court too. 
 

Dominguez saying Axl wrote it for OCB victims suggests he heard a song with vocals.
 

 

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34 minutes ago, wasted said:

Because Riad was behind Erin bringing a case against Axl, that crosses wires as well. Riad sounds like Axl in court too. 
 

Dominguez saying Axl wrote it for OCB victims suggests he heard a song with vocals.

Maybe Axl said what he needed to say lyrically in "Riad" and didn't think finishing "Oklahoma" was necessary?

 

It's like how Pat Benatar doesn't perform "Fire and Ice" live because she says "Heartbreaker" delivers the same message better

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18 minutes ago, DaddyDont said:

Maybe Axl said what he needed to say lyrically in "Riad" and didn't think finishing "Oklahoma" was necessary?

 

It's like how Pat Benatar doesn't perform "Fire and Ice" live because she says "Heartbreaker" delivers the same message better

It's hard to know, other than Dominguez saying it was a song for OCB victims. It's 50/50. 
 

Hearing the instrumental though, Axl must recognize the potential of it. Seems like a no brainer to sing on it. It's a lay up. 

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2 hours ago, DaddyDont said:

If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from?

 

If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point

 

Is there any proof of that?  I thought that was just another urban legend over the years.  People that were there probably thought Riad was Oklahoma just cause Oklahoma was one of the only song titles they knew.

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1 hour ago, EstrangedTWAT said:

 

Is there any proof of that?  I thought that was just another urban legend over the years.  People that were there probably thought Riad was Oklahoma just cause Oklahoma was one of the only song titles they knew.

 

Rolling Stone apparently printed this incorrect setlist in their review of the show (but it's possible this was the pick list they had to choose from for the night - not sure why the journalist would make it up)

 

"Untitled" has to be either Riad or Madagascar

 

https://www.a-4-d.com/t2044-2001-01-01-house-of-blues-las-vegas-usa

 

Welcome to the Jungle

Mr. Brownstone

Nightrain

Think About You

Out Ta Get Me

Oh My God

My Michelle

It's So Easy

Rocket Queen

Sweet Child O' Mine

Patience

Live and Let Die

November Rain

Knockin' On Heaven's Door

The Blues

Oklahoma

Chinese Democracy

Untitled

You Could Be Mine

Silk Worms

Paradise City

 

 

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20 hours ago, General Dexter said:

Finck and Ashba were probably the most productive outside GNR. 

 

Buckethead is the most productive member... literally hundreds of albums since leaving GNR.

 

 

11 hours ago, DaddyDont said:

If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from?

 

If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point

Yeah it was at HOB.

 

I guarantee the song has 1 verse and a chorus.

 

They spared no expense on these big guns.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, EstrangedTWAT said:

 

Is there any proof of that? 

Yes.

 

A picture of the set list was posted on HTGTH back in the day...this led to the "Is Oklahoma really Riad?" monthly discussions.

 

Unfortunately no one still on the forums had saved it.

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4 hours ago, All Things Considered said:

Did Axl really almost sell publishing for three songs to Kim Fowler prior to recording AFD for $2,500 because he needed money and could write a million more songs? 

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(from memory) 

 

I think it was Duff I heard speak about this in some clip, I think Fowley wanted to buy Jungle but they collectively turned him down. I think Duff then said something like “we knew it was good and to hold onto publishing after that approach” 

 

Thats from memory so I’d check it out…. 

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14 hours ago, Facekicker said:

So in conclusion, the album was done 20 years ago and the fat fuck has been mostly touring the world's restaurants since then. 

Kinda based tbh

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3 hours ago, All Things Considered said:

Did Axl really almost sell publishing for three songs to Kim Fowler prior to recording AFD for $2,500 because he needed money and could write a million more songs? 

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Don't remember the story but that shit happened a lot back in the day...bands not realizing how valuable songwriting really is/was.

 

Remember that story where Jani Lane sold a portion of his publishing.. including Cherry Pie.. because he wanted to buy a Lamborghini?

 

One of the Doors (drummer?) was getting a divorce in the 70s/80s, didn't want to give what little money he had or his house to his (ex) wife...so he gave her his portion of the songwriting/ownership instead. :Classic_Troll:

 

I don't remember offhand which 60s one hit wonder it was but one of those guys gave all his publishing to his manager for like 10k. He was suicidal years later. I would be too.

 

 

Waters is still pissed to this day he gave Mason a credit on Dark Side of the Moon. That nice gesture cost him millions. Didn't Mason buy a mansion and fleet of Porsches with that credit?

 

 

GNR did the same thing with Adler on Appetite. Had they not done that, Adler would've been homeless within a year of being fired.

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We got ripped off buying cds. It was like music industry was the Roman empire until file sharing derailed them. And all the moguls moved to videogames. Call of Duty ships 50 million pre sales. Even Bob Dylan sold his songs for 500 mil. 
 

I could see back then if you could write a song and were happy to tour and live that lifestyle, it would be great and you could always get another band together. But now, it's probably not so easy anymore. 

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12 hours ago, wasted said:

We got ripped off buying cds. It was like music industry was the Roman empire until file sharing derailed them. And all the moguls moved to videogames. Call of Duty ships 50 million pre sales. Even Bob Dylan sold his songs for 500 mil. 
 

I could see back then if you could write a song and were happy to tour and live that lifestyle, it would be great and you could always get another band together. But now, it's probably not so easy anymore. 

I don't play video games, but I know people that do.  From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music.

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3 hours ago, All Things Considered said:

I don't play video games, but I know people that do.  From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music.

People have a weird brand loyalty with video games - if Nintendo puts out a new system every 5 years, the same people are going to shell out $40 to keep playing Super Mario Bros. 3 or any other old game you can just play for free through emulation

 

Makes no sense

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3 hours ago, All Things Considered said:

I don't play video games, but I know people that do.  From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music.

What's fucked up is the prices are the same for disc vs digital.  That's why I make sure to buy the disc just out of principle.  Eventually we won't even have the option.  

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4 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

I can see another "unforseen delay" in the release date.

 

This is all deliberate guerilla marketing to hype "The General"

 

Axl on the stand explaining his past abuse, ending every sentence with "and I wrote a song about it, available now on vinyl!"

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Would I be surprised if there were a delay? No.

 

Would it be a transparent "we didn't sell enough" or "Fernando drama made it a bad time" reason to cancel? Yes.

 

GIVE ME THE 2002 VERSIONS YOU FUCKS

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