The Eternal General - 04/24 - Unpinned but alive; Atlas/Monsters nowhere in sight; Slash 'Orgy of the Damned' next month

[See You End Tee]

Slash was his meal ticket. His key to Geffen Records. 

 

You didn't force Slash out if you successfully want to release music for Geffen Records 

 

 

The Herbert Voice, the Fat Clones and destroying the Chin Dem bands songs are probably just Slaah & Geffens latest round of revenge  

 

real Ax in basement of Malibu mansion forced to watch Clockwork Orange style😁

 

 

 

 

 

[wasted]

4 hours ago, LiarzisDead said:

nobody should ever quit the coke and booze. 

we all talk mental health, theres nothing healthier than a coke out drunk (at least to him) and thats all that matters

He's so eccentric, it's easier to understand if he was hammered. But he makes good points and tries to learn the cords of The General. 

[wasted]

10 hours ago, Facekicker said:

The crocodile video is nothing more than a cheap ass effects package Fernando thought was cool. 

 

We all know it. 

With Heaven's Door they had a video which more about heaven imagery but then in Dubai they changed it to UFOs. 

[Guest]

The first release candidate for the General music video has leaked online!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[wasted]

3 hours ago, gunsntortillas said:

The trilogy was dead by 2009. It only ever existed as a conceptual idea in Axl's mind, and I think by a certain point he may have realized it wasn't going to exist as a trilogy.

 

I say this because Axl referred to it as a double album in the forum chats (double being CD + the eventual CD II that never came out). Up until that point, there are some quotes or anecdotes about him seeing CD as a trilogy. 

 

This has been discussed/speculated about in this thread. But it seems like they might have had enough songs with vocals left for a second album after CD, but nothing else after that aside from instrumentals, sketches, and jams. 

 

The trilogy never existed anywhere other than in Axl's mind. It's not as though they had anywhere near 225 minutes of near completed music. I think Axl's idea was that he was actually going to record and release music in perpetuity instead of working on the same 15-25 songs for a decade. So he may have only had 5/15 songs for CD II and 5/15 songs for CD III, but in his mind the other 10 songs per album would be created later on. Which obviously, didn't happen. It's 2023, and he is still labouring over the same leftover songs from 1999-2008. 

Maybe the cds in his mind would be 9 or 10 songs. Or he thinks in records. 
 

I don't think The General being part of a trilogy was ever mentioned. But there's another song he sees linked it. This was all according to Baz. 
 

Like putting out a 9 track single record now would be alright. So they probably could've put out two other 9 track efforts in 00s. 

[gunsntortillas]

2 hours ago, Monkey said:

When are we going to move on from Chinese Democracy?

 

Never. There is nothing to move on to with this band. 

 

The original band was active for less than a decade. NuGNR was around for nearly twice as long as the original band. 

 

The CD sessions have almost lasted 30 years. Think about how insane that is. They started in 1997 or 1998, and we're in 2024 with Axl still tinkering with the same batch of songs. 

 

If he has spent 30 years on the same sessions, it's unlikely he will ever move on to anything else. As such, we're all stuck here, because we're too lame to get into a fun productive band. Honestly, they should just put us all out of our misery and convert all the big GNR forums into Hanson fan forums. It would be less embarrassing for those involved, myself included.

 

It is easy to shit post on a GNR forum, but can you imagine explaining to another human that you're dissatisfied with the lead singer of the band you liked when you were a teenager refusing to release music, so you spent the better part of the last 20 years posting speculation about his inactivity on a web forum where a strange South American man posts selfies with mildly-unamused prostitutes. 

[DaddyDont]

I think Axl also realizes that no music label will ever, under any circumstances, pay for his studio time ever again

 

Tinkering with old shit is cheaper than renting a studio/equipment/engineers

[wasted]

Also on all the albums the material seems to be over lapping. In the AFD era they had Nov Rain and DC. In UYI era they used Bad O and Back off. 
 

Even on CD TIL and Catcher are prom the 90s. HS now. 
 

Without Izzy coming back Axl is the main songwriter. Maybe they could just jump into some Slash/Duff material. Maybe they could get another FTP or Slither. 
 

It's hard to process because of the time between a track being written and released is 20 years.  

[Guest The Monkey]

12 minutes ago, gunsntortillas said:

Never. There is nothing to move on to with this band.

 

I think I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna moooooooove on.

[wasted]

11 minutes ago, DaddyDont said:

I think Axl also realizes that no music label will ever, under any circumstances, pay for his studio time ever again

 

Tinkering with old shit is cheaper than renting a studio/equipment/engineers

I think he's happy to get these songs released. Monsters has a lot going into it. For that to be just sitting on the shelf is criminal. Of the industry if thats not too serious. What kind of ship are they running. Thankfully Slash and Duff came back to give the overlords confidence. 
 

There has to be something in the GNR machine that means you have to sell so much or be roaring success when an album is released. Because other bands are releasing constantly. 

[See You End Tee]

1 hour ago, Donny_TPB said:

Slash was his meal ticket. His key to Geffen Records. 

 

You didn't force Slash out if you successfully want to release music for Geffen Records 

 

 

The Herbert Voice, the Fat Clones and destroying the Chin Dem bands songs are probably just Slaah & Geffens latest round of revenge  

 

real Ax in basement of Malibu mansion forced to watch Clockwork Orange style😁

 

 

 

 

 

 

Imagine the hair shittier & shorter, 

and a 70s porn stache... 

waiting for cab to airport for NITL Tour 2016 

 

Wakes up hours later, in his own home theater

 

They start by playing him all the Chin Dem material with Buckethead & Finck recorded over by Slash purposely sounding boring and un-inspired 

 

 

 

[wasted]

11 minutes ago, Donny_TPB said:

 

Imagine the hair shittier & shorter, 

and a 70s porn stache... 

waiting for cab to airport for NITL Tour 2016 

 

Wakes up hours later, a prisoner in his own home theater 

 

They start by playing him all the Chin Dem material with Buckethead & Finck recorded over by Slash purposely sounding boring and un-inspired 

 

 

It seems that Geffen supported Axl more than Slash. Zutaut and Goldstein

laughed at Snakepit. And Axl got all the studio money to make an updated UYI. Slash going solo was like Britney Spears shaving her head. He wanted out of the machine. Or gain control as the next Ozzy Osbourne type solo act. 

[Sydney Fan]

2 hours ago, Donny_TPB said:

Slash was his meal ticket. His key to Geffen Records. 

 

You didn't force Slash out if you successfully want to release music for Geffen Records 

 

 

The Herbert Voice, the Fat Clones and destroying the Chin Dem bands songs are probably just Slaah & Geffens latest round of revenge  

 

real Ax in basement of Malibu mansion forced to watch Clockwork Orange style😁

 

 

 

 

 

And probably still is to UMG.

UMG not releasing or promtoing any further CD material until Slash rejoins.

[wasted]

Did they give them the 10-14 million when Slash was in GNR?

I still don't get not wanting Axl's record then giving him $10 mil. 

[gunsntortillas]

2 hours ago, DaddyDont said:

I think Axl also realizes that no music label will ever, under any circumstances, pay for his studio time ever again

 

Tinkering with old shit is cheaper than renting a studio/equipment/engineers

 

You're right, but it is 2023, Axl could build a pro studio in his bathroom for almost nothing (relatively speaking). He probably spends most of his time there anyways.

 

Slash and Duff both somehow recorded albums that there is realistically a very small niche market for. Dads who play rock together on weekends pay for studio time and record albums. Fucking John Lennon has been dead for 40 years and he even somehow managed to find the time to record a song with Paul McCartney. If Axl wanted to record new music, while you're right that the label would laugh at paying for it, the cost simply to record music with Duff/Slash would not be prohibitive. 

[wasted]

It must be the weight of expectation and legacy that holds them down, plus UMG happy to release Best of or Boxes of old material. They have to put out new material every 10 years. Another Best of is coming soon. 
 

Add to that Slash and Duff have a no pressure avenue to release solo work. All their songs go there. 
 

So GNR is the touring cash cow and Axl's deal. They seem to be doing it justice slowly. 
 

Having success with HS and Perhaps must loosen up everyone though. 
 

To say right we are now recording a totally new GNR album must be daunting. I don't see a route to it being successful in a comparable way to old GNR. Maybe they will start to sneak in some new stuff...there has to be interest in that. 

[MAGATRON]

Axl’s walking in Brian Wilson’s footsteps. Smile didn’t come out until Wilson was in his sixties. 

[wasted]

Axl is like Dennis Hopper making The Last Movie. He had hours and hours of footage and spent years editing it. Maybe that was CD, then Hopper didn't direct for 10 years until Out of the Blue. 

[See You End Tee]

4 hours ago, wasted said:

It seems that Geffen supported Axl more than Slash. Zutaut and Goldstein

laughed at Snakepit. And Axl got all the studio money to make an updated UYI. Slash going solo was like Britney Spears shaving her head. He wanted out of the machine. Or gain control as the next Ozzy Osbourne type solo act. 

 

 

For the sake of appearing all is normal 

 

Geffen knows Slaah needs Axl same as he believes Axl needs Slash  

 

No reason not to let Slash go and coast on someone else's money 

 

The making Ax record the same songs over and over grift is gonna cost enough already 😁

[See You End Tee]

3 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

And probably still is to UMG.

UMG not releasing or promtoing any further CD material until Slash rejoins.

 

Yup,, 

Same shit songs they wouldn't release when 

Dj Ashba was the resident dime store version of Slash 😆

[gunsntortillas]

Axl got the support because he had the GNR name. He was also the biggest star of the group and the ballads that Axl wrote or co-wrote were always the hits. 

 

Nobody was going to buy a solo album by a guitar player who doesn't sing or front the solo band. Slash was second banana just because of the nature of how this stuff works. 

[wasted]

12 minutes ago, Donny_TPB said:

 

 

For the sake of appearing all is normal 

 

Geffen knows Slaah needs Axl same as he believes Axl needs Slash  

 

No reason not to let Slash go and coast on someone else's money 

 

The making Ax record the same songs over and over grift is gonna cost enough already 😁

I think it's probably about how much they can make out of the final product. Or was. Either quality wise or just via perception. But then probably it became about saving Axl's career with a decent album, that might encourage a tour. Which I think was Azoff's main interest. Regardless of how good CD was or wasn't.
 

I was going back to when they gave Axl 14 mil to make an album. The doubt afterwards is strange to me. Whether you hate Axl's GnR, around 2000 was go time, spin wheel! 
 

It's Catch 22, we want it to be successful, but if we are successful we lose the reunion money. What do we do?

[wasted]

8 minutes ago, gunsntortillas said:

Axl got the support because he had the GNR name. He was also the biggest star of the group and the ballads that Axl wrote or co-wrote were always the hits. 

 

Nobody was going to buy a solo album by a guitar player who doesn't sing or front the solo band. Slash was second banana just because of the nature of how this stuff works. 

Yes but why support with funding, then start hesitating about releasing it or doing a video etc. Have a plan, ok these 9 tracks are great. Put them out, we'll do another in 2 years with Bucket. 
 

They wanted to sell 20 million copies, and they heard no Nov Rain 2? 

[gunsntortillas]

42 minutes ago, wasted said:

Yes but why support with funding, then start hesitating about releasing it or doing a video etc. Have a plan, ok these 9 tracks are great. Put them out, we'll do another in 2 years with Bucket. 
 

They wanted to sell 20 million copies, and they heard no Nov Rain 2? 

 

It isn't entirely uncommon for recordings to be redone or abandoned. Foo Fighters have their infamous 'million dollar demos', and I'm sure that's not the only story of expensive recordings sessions being ditched as a sunk cost. 

 

I would imagine that in 1999 when the label may have rejected the album, they did not envision it would take another decade or so to get it out. 

[Guest The Monkey]

When are you guys gonna eat some chinese food?