gunsntortillas Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 38 minutes ago, wasted said: Talking about Riad And The Bedouins: It’s not Oklahoma which later became Berlin and subject to change. Axl's chat on the fan forums, 2008 Subject To Change is such a lame name for a song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 21 minutes ago, gunsntortillas said: Subject To Change is such a lame name for a song. It seems more like an MO. Just because a few songs from Village came out doesn't mean they all will. Monsters seems to have been through a lot. Berlin brings up Hitler, Oklahoma city bombings is Timothy LaVeigh? Another two dictators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from? If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 5 minutes ago, DaddyDont said: If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from? If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point Because Riad was behind Erin bringing a case against Axl, that crosses wires as well. Riad sounds like Axl in court too. Dominguez saying Axl wrote it for OCB victims suggests he heard a song with vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 34 minutes ago, wasted said: Because Riad was behind Erin bringing a case against Axl, that crosses wires as well. Riad sounds like Axl in court too. Dominguez saying Axl wrote it for OCB victims suggests he heard a song with vocals. Maybe Axl said what he needed to say lyrically in "Riad" and didn't think finishing "Oklahoma" was necessary? It's like how Pat Benatar doesn't perform "Fire and Ice" live because she says "Heartbreaker" delivers the same message better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 18 minutes ago, DaddyDont said: Maybe Axl said what he needed to say lyrically in "Riad" and didn't think finishing "Oklahoma" was necessary? It's like how Pat Benatar doesn't perform "Fire and Ice" live because she says "Heartbreaker" delivers the same message better It's hard to know, other than Dominguez saying it was a song for OCB victims. It's 50/50. Hearing the instrumental though, Axl must recognize the potential of it. Seems like a no brainer to sing on it. It's a lay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 So in conclusion, the album was done 20 years ago and the fat fuck has been mostly touring the world's restaurants since then. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstrangedTWAT Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, DaddyDont said: If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from? If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point Is there any proof of that? I thought that was just another urban legend over the years. People that were there probably thought Riad was Oklahoma just cause Oklahoma was one of the only song titles they knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, EstrangedTWAT said: Is there any proof of that? I thought that was just another urban legend over the years. People that were there probably thought Riad was Oklahoma just cause Oklahoma was one of the only song titles they knew. Rolling Stone apparently printed this incorrect setlist in their review of the show (but it's possible this was the pick list they had to choose from for the night - not sure why the journalist would make it up) "Untitled" has to be either Riad or Madagascar https://www.a-4-d.com/t2044-2001-01-01-house-of-blues-las-vegas-usa Welcome to the Jungle Mr. Brownstone Nightrain Think About You Out Ta Get Me Oh My God My Michelle It's So Easy Rocket Queen Sweet Child O' Mine Patience Live and Let Die November Rain Knockin' On Heaven's Door The Blues Oklahoma Chinese Democracy Untitled You Could Be Mine Silk Worms Paradise City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 20 hours ago, General Dexter said: Finck and Ashba were probably the most productive outside GNR. Buckethead is the most productive member... literally hundreds of albums since leaving GNR. 11 hours ago, DaddyDont said: If I'm remembering right, wasn't "Oklahoma" on one of the Vegas setlists in either late 2000 or late 2001, but "Riad" was played in its place, and that's where the confusion stems from? If it made a setlist, maybe there were lyrics at that point Yeah it was at HOB. I guarantee the song has 1 verse and a chorus. They spared no expense on these big guns. 9 hours ago, EstrangedTWAT said: Is there any proof of that? Yes. A picture of the set list was posted on HTGTH back in the day...this led to the "Is Oklahoma really Riad?" monthly discussions. Unfortunately no one still on the forums had saved it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Or Oklahoma was done and on one of the many village disc that Bird didn't sell to the Mississippi Playboy. Hypothetically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Things Considered Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Did Axl really almost sell publishing for three songs to Kim Fowler prior to recording AFD for $2,500 because he needed money and could write a million more songs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ramone Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 hours ago, All Things Considered said: Did Axl really almost sell publishing for three songs to Kim Fowler prior to recording AFD for $2,500 because he needed money and could write a million more songs? (from memory) I think it was Duff I heard speak about this in some clip, I think Fowley wanted to buy Jungle but they collectively turned him down. I think Duff then said something like “we knew it was good and to hold onto publishing after that approach” Thats from memory so I’d check it out…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 14 hours ago, Facekicker said: So in conclusion, the album was done 20 years ago and the fat fuck has been mostly touring the world's restaurants since then. Kinda based tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 hours ago, All Things Considered said: Did Axl really almost sell publishing for three songs to Kim Fowler prior to recording AFD for $2,500 because he needed money and could write a million more songs? Don't remember the story but that shit happened a lot back in the day...bands not realizing how valuable songwriting really is/was. Remember that story where Jani Lane sold a portion of his publishing.. including Cherry Pie.. because he wanted to buy a Lamborghini? One of the Doors (drummer?) was getting a divorce in the 70s/80s, didn't want to give what little money he had or his house to his (ex) wife...so he gave her his portion of the songwriting/ownership instead. I don't remember offhand which 60s one hit wonder it was but one of those guys gave all his publishing to his manager for like 10k. He was suicidal years later. I would be too. Waters is still pissed to this day he gave Mason a credit on Dark Side of the Moon. That nice gesture cost him millions. Didn't Mason buy a mansion and fleet of Porsches with that credit? GNR did the same thing with Adler on Appetite. Had they not done that, Adler would've been homeless within a year of being fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 We got ripped off buying cds. It was like music industry was the Roman empire until file sharing derailed them. And all the moguls moved to videogames. Call of Duty ships 50 million pre sales. Even Bob Dylan sold his songs for 500 mil. I could see back then if you could write a song and were happy to tour and live that lifestyle, it would be great and you could always get another band together. But now, it's probably not so easy anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Things Considered Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 12 hours ago, wasted said: We got ripped off buying cds. It was like music industry was the Roman empire until file sharing derailed them. And all the moguls moved to videogames. Call of Duty ships 50 million pre sales. Even Bob Dylan sold his songs for 500 mil. I could see back then if you could write a song and were happy to tour and live that lifestyle, it would be great and you could always get another band together. But now, it's probably not so easy anymore. I don't play video games, but I know people that do. From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 hours ago, All Things Considered said: I don't play video games, but I know people that do. From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music. People have a weird brand loyalty with video games - if Nintendo puts out a new system every 5 years, the same people are going to shell out $40 to keep playing Super Mario Bros. 3 or any other old game you can just play for free through emulation Makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpy Bear Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 hours ago, All Things Considered said: I don't play video games, but I know people that do. From what I understand you download/stream the games now also. You don't get physical cartridges, cds, or whatever... same as music. What's fucked up is the prices are the same for disc vs digital. That's why I make sure to buy the disc just out of principle. Eventually we won't even have the option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacdi the ape enthusiast Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 Axl Rose is now a confirmed rapist. Will this cause The General to be cancelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I can see another "unforseen delay" in the release date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyDont Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: I can see another "unforseen delay" in the release date. This is all deliberate guerilla marketing to hype "The General" Axl on the stand explaining his past abuse, ending every sentence with "and I wrote a song about it, available now on vinyl!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 28 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: I can see another "unforseen delay" in the release date. #Metoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Will The General and PTU be droppped from the setlist in 2025?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Would I be surprised if there were a delay? No. Would it be a transparent "we didn't sell enough" or "Fernando drama made it a bad time" reason to cancel? Yes. GIVE ME THE 2002 VERSIONS YOU FUCKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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